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limit now let me just give you a little bit of a refresher on the debt ceilings the debt ceiling has actually been raised eleven times since two thousand and one it usually is raised without very much has it taken a problem but we have seen a lot more pushback with the debt ceiling in recent years ever since president obama took office now this. package that the g.o.p. is promising will raise the federal debt limit for just a temporary period for just about three months but there's a stipulation in the simulation is that they want the senate to come upon a budget agreement and a budget agreement hasn't actually been agreed upon for four years so they want the senate and the house to come together to each propose a budget for the upcoming year and then to come up with a compromise with the final proposal now obviously democrats are really pushing back on this issue saying that first of all that three month extension of the debt ceiling is certainly not enough i mean we've already. seen so much happened in this past year really the debt ceiling was supposed to be we were supposed to go
limit now let me just give you a little bit of a refresher on the debt ceilings the debt ceiling has actually been raised eleven times since two thousand and one it usually is raised without very much has it taken a problem but we have seen a lot more pushback with the debt ceiling in recent years ever since president obama took office now this. package that the g.o.p. is promising will raise the federal debt limit for just a temporary period for just about three months but there's a...
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ceiling and delaying or expanding the debt ceiling and giving lip to 9 debt ceil for another two or flee months. we will be back in the thick of things in a few minutes but today we catch our breath. >>shepard: a lot of breath capping to be done. john bussey live with us from the "wall street journal" and steve, over to you, steve. well, steve is otherwise engaged i am now told. back to evan, presidential historian and live with us from new york, the president just got back into the limousine and will come to the reviewing stand behind us. i guess this is an important day for us to remember who it is we are and what we espouse to be and send a message to the world but more than anything, isn't this good for the kids on martin luther king jr. day to have the african-american president coming for his second inauguration? there is hope for a lot of people wrapped up in this man who may not have had hope before. >> there is hope for a lot of people wrapped up in this man. the constitution talked about and referred to, he used the phrase "we the people identification and that discussion
ceiling and delaying or expanding the debt ceiling and giving lip to 9 debt ceil for another two or flee months. we will be back in the thick of things in a few minutes but today we catch our breath. >>shepard: a lot of breath capping to be done. john bussey live with us from the "wall street journal" and steve, over to you, steve. well, steve is otherwise engaged i am now told. back to evan, presidential historian and live with us from new york, the president just got back into...
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i know that they pushed back the debt ceiling for about three months, i believe. i was wondering if there was any chance for congress and the president to foster more bipartisanship during the second term? >> i think that will be a major theme of his speech tomorrow. i think he will be speaking out, once again, across the aisle to call for the reaching of common ground on these major issues, like the debt ceiling, the budget, gun-control, immigration, tax reform, those kinds of things. i think it is true that we have a divided government now. it has been a difficult four years, but president obama is a natural conciliate her -- conciliation person, and he will make that a big theme of his second term. i think you will hear some of that tomorrow. >> this is from this morning's "washington post." you can draw an analogy to two former president, franklin roosevelt and dwight eisenhower, finding parallels to what fdr delivered in his second address in 1937, and what eisenhower faced in 1957. >> the roosevelt second inaugural address is interesting to read because it r
i know that they pushed back the debt ceiling for about three months, i believe. i was wondering if there was any chance for congress and the president to foster more bipartisanship during the second term? >> i think that will be a major theme of his speech tomorrow. i think he will be speaking out, once again, across the aisle to call for the reaching of common ground on these major issues, like the debt ceiling, the budget, gun-control, immigration, tax reform, those kinds of things. i...
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there's an upcoming one with the debt ceiling. ep has to acknowledge this not so pretty reality in the washington as he gives a speech that's supposed to be inspirational. >> the reality is the same congress he was working with on friday will be the same congress he's working with come tuesday despite the speech. we'll watch closely to see more details coming up. thank you so much. we'll watch more of this ahead. >> we always know security is tight in washington, but for the inauguration, it is as tight as it can possibly get, like the motherload of security here. joe johns is here with us to talk about the whole situation. what are we seeing? >> well, john, first of all, there are probably going to be something like 12,000 security people that we know of in and around the national mall for all of the events. so let's break that down a little bit. there are about 4,000 d.c. police officers all of whom will be available for security, different shifts probably working between 12 and 1 hours on sunday and on monday. we have something
there's an upcoming one with the debt ceiling. ep has to acknowledge this not so pretty reality in the washington as he gives a speech that's supposed to be inspirational. >> the reality is the same congress he was working with on friday will be the same congress he's working with come tuesday despite the speech. we'll watch closely to see more details coming up. thank you so much. we'll watch more of this ahead. >> we always know security is tight in washington, but for the...
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>> look, there is a long tradition here of congress acting to raise the debt ceiling. this is a power that they've brought -- that they've given themselves to do. and the point is -- without drama and delay. a monthly extension is drama, okay? congress should simply do its job. it should not -- we're not going to negotiate over extending the debt ceiling. >> but is the president saying he's willing to revisit this within a year? would he like five years? i mean, what is he saying? >> i think the president made clear the other day that he would happily take on the responsibility himself if congress can't handle it. so the fact is, congress should simply extend the debt ceiling, and do so in a manner that causes no concern to the economy and to global markets, that does not in any way suggest that washington is about to engage in another process that results in a self-inflicted wound to the economy. so it's sort of a moot point because it should just be extended in a way that does not raise concern about whether or not the united states of america pays its bills. >> okay
>> look, there is a long tradition here of congress acting to raise the debt ceiling. this is a power that they've brought -- that they've given themselves to do. and the point is -- without drama and delay. a monthly extension is drama, okay? congress should simply do its job. it should not -- we're not going to negotiate over extending the debt ceiling. >> but is the president saying he's willing to revisit this within a year? would he like five years? i mean, what is he saying?...
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ceiling. >> so i want to be clear about this, the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending, it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> mike: well, according to the congressional record, in 2006, then senator barack obama had this statement just before a debt ceiling vote and i quote, the fact that we are here today to debate raising america's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure, it's a sign that the u.s. government can't pay its own bills, it's a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government's reckless fiscal policies. leadership means that the buck stops here. instead, washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today on the backs of our children and grandchildren, therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase america's debt limit. in 2008, candidate obama blamed president bush and called the growing debt unpatriotic. >> number 43 added 4 trillion dollars by his lonesome so that we no
ceiling. >> so i want to be clear about this, the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending, it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> mike: well, according to the congressional record, in 2006, then senator barack obama had this statement just before a debt ceiling vote and i quote, the fact that we are here today to debate raising america's debt limit is a...
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as a very practical matter, if we go over the debt ceiling, we do not increase the debt ceiling, republicans will not win the debate. they will argue they are not increasing it because they do not want to control spending but they will not win the debate. what will happen is the white house will pay with cash flow of the interest on the debt. the debt will not be called. what they might not pay our social security checks. the moment the american citizen figures out they may not go out, the game is over. tenfold. because believe me, though congress can stand up to the senior lobby. so that is not a legitimate process to take the debt ceiling as the hostage. the appropriate goal, whether the debate should occur. the president gets to talk about the faults. he gets to talk about social security. we should be talking about spending. spending restraints. where is the logical place to do this? the logical place is on the sequestered. that is where the next pressure point should be. we should have the debate over how much spending should be restrained and how it should be restrained. the sequester
as a very practical matter, if we go over the debt ceiling, we do not increase the debt ceiling, republicans will not win the debate. they will argue they are not increasing it because they do not want to control spending but they will not win the debate. what will happen is the white house will pay with cash flow of the interest on the debt. the debt will not be called. what they might not pay our social security checks. the moment the american citizen figures out they may not go out, the game...
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ceiling. >> so i want to be clear about this, the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending, it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> mike: well, according to the congressional record, in 2006, then senator barack obama had this statement just before a debt ceiling vote and i quote, the fact that we are here today to debate raising america's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure, it's a sign that the u.s. government can't pay its own bills, it's a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our government's reckless fiscal policies. leadership means that the buck stops here. instead, washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today on the backs of our children and grandchildren, therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase america's debt limit. in 2008, candidate obama blamed president bush and called the growing debt unpatriotic. >> number 43 added 4 trillion dollars by his lonesome so that we no
ceiling. >> so i want to be clear about this, the debt ceiling is not a question of authorizing more spending. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending, it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. >> mike: well, according to the congressional record, in 2006, then senator barack obama had this statement just before a debt ceiling vote and i quote, the fact that we are here today to debate raising america's debt limit is a...
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you put the debt ceiling off for a few months. now you start discussing those automatic spending cuts known as a still questionnaire. they want to get this on what they call their home turf and basically talk about spending. they want to move the spending cuts conversation up and continued that through the debt ceiling. there are these number of deadlines coming up. by doing this, they move up the spending that conversation. they hope to get the ball rolling there and hope to continue that through the next round of debt ceiling talks. remember, neil, there are two issues that the rating agencies are looking for, they want an orderly increase of the debt ceiling. they say no strings attached. you go further down into those press releases and they are saying, we want a budget deal, this year, 2013. that is something that republicans are looking for and that is something they hope to secure out of all of this. neil: peter barnes, if you are still with me, too, i want to bring you into this. secretary of state hillary clinton with joh
you put the debt ceiling off for a few months. now you start discussing those automatic spending cuts known as a still questionnaire. they want to get this on what they call their home turf and basically talk about spending. they want to move the spending cuts conversation up and continued that through the debt ceiling. there are these number of deadlines coming up. by doing this, they move up the spending that conversation. they hope to get the ball rolling there and hope to continue that...
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stay away from letting the debt ceiling not be raised because those are things that the american people will hate. they'll hate us defaulting onli blame you for it. they'll hate us shutting the government down. if you want to make a stand, make it in the sequester. the sequester has a lot of things that are painful to the democrats and the president. that's the place to plak the stand. and, look, everyone agrees, every rational person agrees with michael. you've got a spending person as well as a revenue problem. we've got to cut spending. if you're republicans, make it under sequester. if you shut the government down or if you don't allow the debt ceiling to be raised and america defaults on its debts, whoa is you. there are a lot of suburban republican congressman who are absolute absolutely signing their death warrant. >> well, why not make the point on the sequester. why go to this extreme of a government shutdown. >> well, i'd actually agree with the governor. i think that that is a better spot to hold some ground. quite honestly, because those cuts are already in play. everybody k
stay away from letting the debt ceiling not be raised because those are things that the american people will hate. they'll hate us defaulting onli blame you for it. they'll hate us shutting the government down. if you want to make a stand, make it in the sequester. the sequester has a lot of things that are painful to the democrats and the president. that's the place to plak the stand. and, look, everyone agrees, every rational person agrees with michael. you've got a spending person as well as...
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there's the debt ceiling, whether or not to raise the debt ceiling. some are talking about shutting the government down when the continuing resolution that authorizes spending for this government runs out, that he would negotiate then on this whole issue of spending cuts and new revenue. and if you cannot get a deal, then you let the government shutdown. some republicans are laying the groundwork for that. then you have the sequestration that was delayed under the fiscal cliff deal. so there are more than one battle happening. where do you think the negotiations should take place? should be the debt ceiling or the continuing resolution to fund the government or sequestration? caller: the continuing revolution to keep the government going -- resolution. there are many departments we don't need. i was showing my grandchildr the debt clock, telling him how much money he would know when he becomes a taxpayer. he said he does not want to become a taxpayer. this is taxation without representation. they have to get this under control. they need a dyiet. host
there's the debt ceiling, whether or not to raise the debt ceiling. some are talking about shutting the government down when the continuing resolution that authorizes spending for this government runs out, that he would negotiate then on this whole issue of spending cuts and new revenue. and if you cannot get a deal, then you let the government shutdown. some republicans are laying the groundwork for that. then you have the sequestration that was delayed under the fiscal cliff deal. so there...
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a clean debt ceiling is the only way to go. when we get to march 2nd and the sequester deadline approaches again, we need to focus on a balanced debt ceiling focus. that's what this is about. the americans made a decision. they embrace president obama's idea that we should have revenue and closed tax loopholes for the wealthiest pay more and reduce spending in a balanced way. >> i think what people also hoped that they were voting for was the democrats and republicans would get in a room together and would cooperate. >> that's right. >> and what i think a lot of people are concerned are is we're not seeing that happening yet. this is supposed to be a day when we see everything reset and start over, but we have the same congress. ebb wants to know is this going to change, is there any hope for change? >> i'm full of hope. if think we have an opportunity to continue to reach across the aisle. i noe president obama and the republicans are willing to reach out. we cannot begin the second term with president obama's engaging in my w
a clean debt ceiling is the only way to go. when we get to march 2nd and the sequester deadline approaches again, we need to focus on a balanced debt ceiling focus. that's what this is about. the americans made a decision. they embrace president obama's idea that we should have revenue and closed tax loopholes for the wealthiest pay more and reduce spending in a balanced way. >> i think what people also hoped that they were voting for was the democrats and republicans would get in a room...
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house will vote wednesday on raising the national debt ceiling. republican leaders announced today the extension lets the government continue borrowing money until may 19. the current debt ceiling-- $16.4 trillion-- could be reached as early as mid-february. the house bill does not specify a new dollar amount. it does mandate that congress approve budgets, or lawmakers won't be paid. major league baseball lost two hall of famers over the weekend. st. louis cardinals great stan musial-- "stan the man"-- died saturday at his home just outside the city. he played 22 years, helping the cards win three world series titles in the 1940's. he was widely regarded as one of game's greatest hitters ever. stan musial was 92 years old. also saturday, former baltimore orioles manager earl weaver passed away, during a caribbean cruise. weaver won the world series in 1970, and took his teams to three others. along the way, he gained fame for his fiery, in-your-face confrontations with umpires. he was ejected from games 91 times over 17 seasons. earl weaver was 82
house will vote wednesday on raising the national debt ceiling. republican leaders announced today the extension lets the government continue borrowing money until may 19. the current debt ceiling-- $16.4 trillion-- could be reached as early as mid-february. the house bill does not specify a new dollar amount. it does mandate that congress approve budgets, or lawmakers won't be paid. major league baseball lost two hall of famers over the weekend. st. louis cardinals great stan musial--...
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how are we going to see this ludicrous, childish behavior we saw over the debt ceiling argument, for example, come to an end and people get into a room and getting stuff done. that's the key thing, i think, for his second term. >> jamal alluded to a new strategy at the white house, which is going to be to go around congress and go directly to the american people. the white house believes the reason they got a deal in the 12th hour is because they went to the american people and the american people said by god, get something done. >> are they right? >> look, it did work. boehner has also indicated he's not going to deal with the president one-on-one. they're going to go through the regular order. the senate is going to have to do something, the house is going to have to do something. they're going to meet in conference and send it to the presidency. i think the president's legacy to go big, to get a grand bargain, to have long-term economic growth but also to have a legacy of fiscal sustainability could be his major legacy piece. and i think even though he wants to do guns, even thoug
how are we going to see this ludicrous, childish behavior we saw over the debt ceiling argument, for example, come to an end and people get into a room and getting stuff done. that's the key thing, i think, for his second term. >> jamal alluded to a new strategy at the white house, which is going to be to go around congress and go directly to the american people. the white house believes the reason they got a deal in the 12th hour is because they went to the american people and the...
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they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the deficit, america cannot afford another debate with this congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have racked up. what i will not do is to have that negotiation with gun at the head of the people. >> dana: interesting choice of words to describe that. eric, you talked about not wanting the country to lurch from crisis to crisis. most americans would agree and want washington to fix fundamental problems. why do we have to have the debate every three months? >> eric: sure. start with the debt ceiling and how it came about. prior to world war i, everybody was paid
they could default on the debt, unless the debt ceiling is raised. republicans want the president to cut spending before they i gree on a deal. but the president at no time seem eager for compromise. listen. >> we have to stop lurking from crisis to crisis to crisis. when there is a clear pass that requires discipline, responsibility and compromise. >> dana: yet, he showed little willingness to do so. >> i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce the...
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this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending on entitlements like social security and medicare and fixing a long-term problem. it's not just about paying the bills. it's about the future. >> right, but there are also a lot of political calculations in here. i assume they're very close to the political calculations we saw in the last crisis. >> yes, they are, although, you know, in the last crisis it was very clear that the president had the let me rverage. he had just won the election. he had won an election over the tax issue and the republicans lost over the tax issue. they're pushing that so far
this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending...
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that the debt ceiling is adjusted to accommodate the budget that we pass. and there is an enormous amount of hypocrisy going on. and i admit on the democratic side on the past, you know, it is like you going out and buying a refrigerator on your credit card and then 20 days later the bill shows up and you see you are over your debt limit, so you tell the freezer company, you're not paying it. the decision when you spend the money or raise taxes -- >> thank you very much for your answer. hope you will come back and join us again sometime. >> thank you. >> second inauguration of president obama takes place on monday, january 21st. that will martin luther king, jr. he will be sworn in on the day before, the 20th, as per the constitution. i will host a special cnbc event. it begins at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. that is, monday, martin luther king, jr. day. >> sue? >> ty, shares of lululemon continue to be under pressure on the back of the latest outlook. what is ahead for the yoga appear el maker? courtney is live in miami. courtney? ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer
that the debt ceiling is adjusted to accommodate the budget that we pass. and there is an enormous amount of hypocrisy going on. and i admit on the democratic side on the past, you know, it is like you going out and buying a refrigerator on your credit card and then 20 days later the bill shows up and you see you are over your debt limit, so you tell the freezer company, you're not paying it. the decision when you spend the money or raise taxes -- >> thank you very much for your answer....
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government will run out of money to pay its bills if congress does not raise the debt ceiling. president barack obama will not negotiate with congress on this issue. while republicans want any increase in the debt ceiling to be tied to spending cuts... >> the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not attend beat nation and so -- there is a very simple solution to this. >> now in a statement, house speaker phil boehner indicated the republican party is prepared for a fight and the consequences of increasing the debt ceiling are real but so too is the consequences of allowing our spending problem to go unresolved. >>> they are closely watching this debt ceiling battle in washington and if congress does not act on the debt ceiling, the national economy could fall and that would have a negative affect on california's budget numbers. they revealed a budget surplus in many years and that's thanks to a new tax revenue from proposition 30 as well as spending cuts. >>> the social media is buzzing about a possible announcement by facebook. janine de la vega joins us
government will run out of money to pay its bills if congress does not raise the debt ceiling. president barack obama will not negotiate with congress on this issue. while republicans want any increase in the debt ceiling to be tied to spending cuts... >> the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not attend beat nation and so -- there is a very simple solution to this. >> now in a statement, house speaker phil boehner indicated the republican party is prepared...
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., much hinges on how washington handles this debt ceiling next. but not all, fitch said that problem is we never seem to get around to deals with the problem behind that mess. quoting fitch a riley, fundamental credit strengths are eroded by large studily declining structure budget deficit, and high and rising public debt. what fitch is not saying, but almost screaming is, the washington sons of fitches are doing not about it, they screamed it. after the cliff, get ready for the crash. i'm not surprised we could still be cut. i'm surprised that fitch has not already done so, john campbell said that triple a rated countries do not we behave this way. i'm surprised it has not already happened. what do you think? >> i know, i just, you know there isal this talk if we get into a big fight over trying to reduce entitlements and making a long-term solution to this, that fitch or some rating agencies may cut our credit rating at this point. if that is what they are doing, they have it backwards. what they should do is they should look at reducing our cre
., much hinges on how washington handles this debt ceiling next. but not all, fitch said that problem is we never seem to get around to deals with the problem behind that mess. quoting fitch a riley, fundamental credit strengths are eroded by large studily declining structure budget deficit, and high and rising public debt. what fitch is not saying, but almost screaming is, the washington sons of fitches are doing not about it, they screamed it. after the cliff, get ready for the crash. i'm not...
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lew is not is chummy with republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation back in 2011. for that reason and others, his confirmation hearing could be bumpy. if confirmed, he will be dealing with the top issue in this second term, how to get the economy moving and addressing the country's long term fiscal problems. >> this is a president that is forced to grapple with the budget woes, with the economy that cannot get over the hump. it will consume most of his time, i believe, in the second term. >> what he cannot do going into the term is go from economic crisis to economic crisis. that is not leadership. he has to figure out how to address this in a broader policy way. our health care reform cannot waste, must not wait and will not wait another year. >> passing health care legislation early on was high on the president's to-do list. he picked kansas governor to head up health and human services, to get health care legislation done he largely passed control over to congress to put the bill together and to figure out how to get it through. it became a messy process about 2
lew is not is chummy with republicans on the hill after the debt ceiling negotiation back in 2011. for that reason and others, his confirmation hearing could be bumpy. if confirmed, he will be dealing with the top issue in this second term, how to get the economy moving and addressing the country's long term fiscal problems. >> this is a president that is forced to grapple with the budget woes, with the economy that cannot get over the hump. it will consume most of his time, i believe, in...
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but they want it separated from debt ceiling. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that the republican decision or is it going to be played, conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to blame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of washington, but he didn't mean it. and he doesn't believe it. he thinks, and i think rightly thinks, that the political onus will be on the republicans. the president said we aren't a deadbeat nation, which is one of many great quotes in that press conference. >> i like that word, deadbeat. >> we aren't a deadbeat nation, and he said the republicans will turn us into a deadbeat nation if they do what they're threatening -- >> if somebody else objects to the question, if there's a different answer, i'll accept it. did the democrats ever play the game of not paying the bills of the united states government as
but they want it separated from debt ceiling. >> let's talk about this debt ceiling thing, howard. do you think the press objectively can report the way the president tried to sell it, which is if this government can't pay its debts, refuses to pay it because of the debt ceiling, is that the republican decision or is it going to be played, conflict in washington, gridlock, both parties to blame? >> well, the president said in the press conference i think people will blame all of...
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ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with that 2006 vote. there is one very big difference between now and 2006. 2006 there wasn't this kind of big protracted battle over the debt ceiling at all. it wasn't a big issue. i was covering politics for nbc at the time. the debt ceiling increase was seen as a procedure and a very partisan vote then but not something you were reporting on for weeks and months like we have in 2011 then and now on the debt ceiling debate and, of course, what happened in 2011 was a loss to the nation's credit rating. there's big differences between
ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with...
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the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any conversations about extending the bush tax cuts, what i said we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for wealthy and we didn't. we can argue during the campaign that i said, i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is that millionaires, billionaires, are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from, you know, from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class and my biggest priority was making sure middle class tax
the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any...
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do you think he'll be successful avoiding a terrible bruising battle over the debt ceiling? >> i think the president will be successful. the president won, and he won big, and people must respect that. he has the know-how, the skill, the gut to lead. he must tell people when he speak tomorrow during his inaugural that we must come together and look out for the common good and work together and be prepared to compromise. >> but that art of compromise is something we have not seen much of lately in this nation's capital on capitol hill. without a re-election campaign looming ahead, do you think the parties will be able to better work together with this this president in his second term? >> i think we all must work together with this president, not just democrat, not just liberals, but republicans and conservatives. if people fail to come together and work together the republican party will be a party of the past. >> tomorrow is a big day, a great day. a man you called your brother would have been 84. what is his legacy today? how will you read that? >> well, it's a different d
do you think he'll be successful avoiding a terrible bruising battle over the debt ceiling? >> i think the president will be successful. the president won, and he won big, and people must respect that. he has the know-how, the skill, the gut to lead. he must tell people when he speak tomorrow during his inaugural that we must come together and look out for the common good and work together and be prepared to compromise. >> but that art of compromise is something we have not seen...
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the republicans blinking and suggesting i want to fight this debt ceiling on this debt ceiling front, which would be good. they are going to keep us going every three months. we never get around to talking about the larger economic question. >> i don't want to have that conversation in the context of the three-month debt ceiling deals. if we are going talk entitlements, is there room to push on the entitlements and suggest a larger social safety net, things like providing opportunities for poor children beginning to close the wealth gap is a priority. >> raise the health care law. i think it's very important to remember that law isn't fully operational, yet. there is -- yes, exactly. there's an enormous amount of work to do. there's a lot of resistance in the states. that's going to be a struggle. >> one piece of that is in 1997 we did a balanced budget deal. one thing that happened when that period of republicans and democrats came together was step back and as part of consolidating the budget, they shift resources. that was the deal. it was a deficit reduction deal. one thing it cre
the republicans blinking and suggesting i want to fight this debt ceiling on this debt ceiling front, which would be good. they are going to keep us going every three months. we never get around to talking about the larger economic question. >> i don't want to have that conversation in the context of the three-month debt ceiling deals. if we are going talk entitlements, is there room to push on the entitlements and suggest a larger social safety net, things like providing opportunities...
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and then with the debt ceiling, same thing. i do think there's some evidence that republicans are saying, you know, in part for public image reasons but maybe in part because of good economic reasons, we can't keep whacking away at the economy like this to please our base we ha. >> it's not about the two parties necessarily shifting their philosophical positions or moving together but more of a practical decision by the house leadership to recognize the limits on what they can accomplish with the majority in the house and the limits in terms of the public support for their position. you know, one of the things, chuck, the president used the campaign to do was to try to lay out in front of the public the competing visions for approaches to economic growth and deficit reduction. he feels like he's been vindicated, and i think republicans in the votes that jared was just talking about str recognized he has a point. >> yeah, but, john, it all boils down to there's a very different vision when you're talking about a government that
and then with the debt ceiling, same thing. i do think there's some evidence that republicans are saying, you know, in part for public image reasons but maybe in part because of good economic reasons, we can't keep whacking away at the economy like this to please our base we ha. >> it's not about the two parties necessarily shifting their philosophical positions or moving together but more of a practical decision by the house leadership to recognize the limits on what they can accomplish...
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reid to obama, it's okay to skip congress on the debt ceiling. >> that's right. i mean, that just shows how there's really no way out of this situation at this point. the two sides are arguing completely different things. on the one side republicans are saying taxes cannot be considered a part of the equation, and we need to cut spending dollar for dollar for any debt ceiling increase. >> right. the president is saying revenues must be part of an equation, and he does not want to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. so what do they say, skip congress all together because they can't get it done. >> manu raju of politico and marilyn of "roll call," thank you both very much. president obama may have a new immigration plan in the works and what does that mean for his second agenda? and you may have more cash to put in the bank. after the break we'll examine the reason why. you're watching the place for politics. reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's
reid to obama, it's okay to skip congress on the debt ceiling. >> that's right. i mean, that just shows how there's really no way out of this situation at this point. the two sides are arguing completely different things. on the one side republicans are saying taxes cannot be considered a part of the equation, and we need to cut spending dollar for dollar for any debt ceiling increase. >> right. the president is saying revenues must be part of an equation, and he does not want to...
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we've gone over the cliff, now we have the debt ceiling. but, you know, even if they get over those two short-term problems, you still have got the problem of a massive deficit, which is going to have to be reigned in. at some point, you're going to get a fiscal squeeze in america and that is going to put a break on what is not very far from economic growth. i think you'll have that which is always something that is going to be there in the background. you have a lot of debt, as well, still in the private sector, which needs to be fluffed off. there's a deraef raejing that you've been seeing right across the western world is still going to go on, i think, for the best part of this decade. >> and we heard leading up to this election that rarely has a u.s. president been elected with such high levels of unemployment. what was different this time? >> oh, i think it had something to do with the candidate he was facing not being able to energize the public. but i also think, look, reflation? the public loves that, right? free money. >> but do th
we've gone over the cliff, now we have the debt ceiling. but, you know, even if they get over those two short-term problems, you still have got the problem of a massive deficit, which is going to have to be reigned in. at some point, you're going to get a fiscal squeeze in america and that is going to put a break on what is not very far from economic growth. i think you'll have that which is always something that is going to be there in the background. you have a lot of debt, as well, still in...
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debt ceiling, entitlement reform, et cetera, et cetera. right and left, republicans and democrats are diametrically opposed with their orthodoxy. democrats more moderate with republicans on certain things. republicans are more send activity that work with democrats. in the wake of the 2012 election as we look forward what is happening with the president's second term there are historical realities. the country is system of two parties and they compete hard. they compete hard for their agendas and it is not going to be an easy year. a second term is difficult one. the first year of four is really the best, some say only opportunity to pass legislation effectively. after the second year of a second term, on comes the midterm, 2014 will be a very, very important time which will determine by who is ted anated aho wi, what the republican and democratic presidential candidates look like in the back of president obama's second term and who his successor will be. something that has not happened in many years, not at all inconceivable. everyone rec
debt ceiling, entitlement reform, et cetera, et cetera. right and left, republicans and democrats are diametrically opposed with their orthodoxy. democrats more moderate with republicans on certain things. republicans are more send activity that work with democrats. in the wake of the 2012 election as we look forward what is happening with the president's second term there are historical realities. the country is system of two parties and they compete hard. they compete hard for their agendas...